2 | UNITED STATES GRAND JURY SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK UNITED STATES OF AMERICA : 5 August 2018 -v- : Additional JEFFREY EPSTEIN, Defendant. UNITED STATES COURTHOUSE 11 40 Foley Square New York, New York 10007 12 13 July 2, 2019 12:43 p.m. 14 15 16 APPEARANCES: ] Assistant United States Attorney ESQ. 19 Assistant United States Attorney 20 © <0. Assistant United States Attorney 21 22 Acting Grand Jury Reporter 23 24 25 26 Fink & Carney Reporting and Video Services 39 West 37th Street * New York, New York 10018 (800) NYC-FINK * (212) 869-3063 GM_GJ_SDNY_00000089 EFTA00008585

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(Colloguy Precedes.) (Witness Enters Room.) (Time noted: 12:47 p.m.) «SEES. <2.tec as a witness, having been first duly sworn by the Foreperson of the Grand Jury, was examined and testified as follows: EXAMINATION py Ms. Q. Could you please state and spell your name for the record? Good afternoon, Special Agent f Good afternoon. Where do you work? The FBI. What's your title at the FBI? Special agent. How long have you worked as a special agent for the FBI? A. For over two years now. Q. Did you testify before this grand jury on June 18th, 2019? A. I did. Q. Can you just remind the grand jury about your background? What types of work do you do at the FBI? Fink & Camey Reporting and Video Services 39 West 37th Street * New York, New York 10018 (800) NYC-FINK * (212) 869-3063 GM_GJ_SDNY_00000090 EFTA00008586

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Page 3 |e 6a A. I work on the Violent Crimes Against Children Squad, so we work child exploitation, human trafficking, and international parental kidnapping matters. Q. Have you participated in an investigation of Jeffrey Epstein and his associates? A. Yes. Q. Have you spoken to other people, including other law enforcement officers, about this investigation? A. Yes. Q. Have you reviewed reports and documents prepared by others regarding this case? A. Yes. Q. And is your testimony today based in part on those conversations with other law enforcement officers and documents that you have reviewed? A. Yes. MS. i: Ladies and gentlemen, some of the testimony that you're going to hear today will include hearsay. As you know, that means that the witness will not be testifying solely from her own observations, but that she'll also be reporting what others have told her and what she's read in reports and documents prepared by others. Fink & Carney Reporting and Video Services 39 West 37th Street * New York, New York 10018 (800) NYC-FINK * (212) 869-3063 GM_GJ_SDNY_00000091 EFTA00008587

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© OA A OD eB WD YS NOW NY NY NY NM DY DB HB BH HB Be we EE Ee ES pe nA oOo F Ww NH FP OG Yb) OBS AD oO F&F WwW DY KF CO Page 4 ft nae As you know, hearsay evidence is admissible in these grand jury proceedings, and you're free to rely on it in determining whether there is probable cause to indict the proposed defendant. If, however, you would like to hear the testimony of any other witness, you have the right to request it, and we will make reasonable efforts to bring that witness before you. By Ms. i: Q. So, Special Agent | I placed in front of you a stack of exhibits. I want to talk through them now one by one. We were discussing earlier that you recall testifying before this grand jury on June 18, 2019;. is that correct? A. Yes. Q. So, I placed in front of you what's marked as Grand Jury Exhibit 3. Is that a fair and accurate transcript of your testimony on that date? A. Yes. Q. I've also placed in front of you Grand Jury Exhibit 1. Is that a PowerPoint presentation that you reviewed with this grand jury on June 18th, 2019? A. Yes. So picking up where we left off last time, I Fink & Carney Reporting and Video Services 39 West 37th Street * New York, New York 10018 (800) NYC-FINK * (212) 869-3063 GM_GJ_SDNY_00000092 EFTA00008588

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Page 5 7/2/19 want to follow up regarding the presentation. If you could turn to page 28 of that presentation. Now, Special Agent do you recall p testifying about your interviews with a young woman A. Yes. Q. And do you recall that there was a question from the grand jury about the date on one of the slides in this presentation? A. Yes. Q. Just want to follow up on that. So on this page, just to orient ourselves, do you recall testifying about phone records of a call between a phone number subscribed to | and | i: cell phone on January 3rd? A. Yes. Q. Have you reviewed the underlying phone records that are excerpted in this slide? A. Yes. Q. Is the call highlighted on this slide from January 3rd, 2005? A. Yes. Q. Directing your attention to the top of the slide where it says 2004, is that a typo? A. Yes. Fink & Carney Reporting and Video Services 39 West 37th Street * New York, New York 10018 (800) NYC-FINK * (212) 869-3063 GM_GJ_SDNY_00000093 EFTA00008589

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oryaw £# W NY KF 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 Lt 18 19 20 21 22 a 24 25 26 Page 6 a 7/2/19 Q. Have you confirmed that the underlying records are, in fact, from January 3rd, 2005? A. Yes. Q. Turning to the next slide, on page 29. So the header on this slide is January 4, 2005. Is that the same date that's on the deposit slip excerpted in that slide? A. Yes. Q. So does the date on this slide accurately reflect the date on the deposit slip? A. Yes. Q. So when you testified that based on the phone records we just discussed and this deposit slip, that it appears that they were on back-to-back days, was that in fact accurate? A. Yes. Q@. All right. So I want to switch gears now and ask you, do you recall testifying before this grand jury regarding a woman named A. Yes. oO. If you could turn now to what's before you and marked Grand Jury Exhibit 4. Do you recognize this? A. Yes. Q. What is this document? A. So this is a list of messages that to -- that Fink & Carney Reporting and Video Services ——————————————————————————————————————————_ 39 West 37th Street * New York, New York 10018 (800) NYC-FINK * (212) 869-3063 GM_GJ_SDNY_00000094 EFTA00008590

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‘1 ft ae appear to be left for Jeffrey Epstein. Q. Taking a step back for a moment, how did the > WwW N FBI obtain this document? A. We received this from the Palm Beach Police Department. Q. What is your understanding, based on your oe ya non ww review of law enforcement reports and your review of 9 the case file, of how the Palm Beach Police Department 10 obtained this document? 11 A. They would have received it from a trash pull. 12 So a trash pull is, one of the detectives had gone to 13 the residence and went through the trash that was left 14 on the curb. 15 Q. Is this document from one of those trash 16 pulls? 17 A. Yes. 18 Q. Approximately when was this pulled from the 19 trash, based on your review of law enforcement reports? 20 A. April 13, 2005. 21 Q. In a previous presentation, you discussed a 22 number of residences. Do you know specifically where 23 this was pulled from the trash? 24 A. The Palm Beach residence. 25 Q. Did you personally participate in gathering 26 this evidence? Fink & Carney Reporting and Video Services 39 West 37th Street * New York, New York 10018 (800) NYC-FINK * (212) 869-3063 GM_GJ_SDNY_00000095 EFTA00008591

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.S 6 23 24 25 26 Page A. I was not a part of the tra sh pull, but I have received the evidence since. Q. So let's talk through this document. Looking first at the first page at the top, what does this document appear to be? A. It's recor¢ listed for Jeffrey Epstein, 4/11/2005 to 4/11/2005. Q. What are the fields at the top? A. So the left side has who it's from, the middle has the message, and then on the right it has -- some of them have phone numbers listed. Q. Does the name appear in this document? A. Yes. QO. Let's turn to the fourth page of this document. Focusing on the last line, do you see where it says callers? Q. What is listed in the field to the right? Q. Turning to page 2 of this document, focusing on the bottom three lines, can you point out to the grand jury where you see the name J at the bottom of this document? A. so i: ; listed twice. Fink & Carney Reporting and Video Services 39 West 37th Street * New York, New York 10018 (800) NYC-FINK * (212) 869-3063 GM_GJ_SDNY_00000096 EFTA00008592

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OE 7/2/19 QO. What are the messages to the right of the name a - The first message lists, I'm back in New York. A Q What's the second one? A - Is there a phone number listed next to the i?) message? A. Yes. Q. And what is the area code for that phone number? . Z Q. Does that appear to be a New York City area code? A. Yes. Q. In your interviews ith have you asked her whether or not she recognizes this phone number? A. Yes. | Q. What did she tell you? A. She did not recognize it. Q. What, if anything, did she tell you about the phones that she was using during this time period? A. She said that she was using a lot of different phones, that she'd gone a lot of different places, so Fink & Carney Reporting and Video Services 39 West 37th Street * New York, New York 10018 (800) NYC-FINK * (212) 869-3063 GM_GJ_SDNY_00000097 EFTA00008593

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Page 10 7/2/19 she didn't recall all the numbers that she had used in the past. Q. Have you obtained phone records for this phone number? Yes. Who was listed for the subscriber in 2005? It came back to an individual in Maspeth. Based on your participation in this investigation, does that particular individual have any significance to this investigation, as far as you can tell? A. No. Q. If these messages had been left vy ii in New York, would some type of communication have had to occur across state lines in order for these messages to have been found in Florida? A. Yes. Q. Do you recall testifying about en: | EME remembered receiving phone calls from Epstein's assistant, JP A. Yes. Q. Did they recall that occasionally when they would get phone calls from that she would say that she was calling from New York? A. Yes. Fink & Carney Reporting and Video Services 39 West 37th Street * New York, New York 10018 (800) NYC-FINK * (212) 869-3063 GM_GJ_SDNY_00000098 EFTA00008594

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Page 11 were in Florida when they Q. rf Jana got those calls and those calls had, in fact, been placed from New York, would those calls have traveled across state lines? A. Yes. Q. A few final questions about In your conversations with her, did she ever describe to you receiving phone calls regarding the massages that she was scheduling? A. Yes. Q. Who would call her? Q. Did 1e recall speaking to anyone else on the phone? A. Epstein. Q. And did she explain the context in which she would receive calls and speak to Epstein? A. Yes. She said that when she spoke with Epstein on the phone, it would always be through | so SJ vou contact her and then put him on the phone to speak with her. Q. What was her understanding of who | se A. His assistant. Q. In these conversations with iiiiiena Epstein, aid fT ceca whether or not either of Fink & Carney Reporting and Video Services 39 West 37th Street * New York, New York 10018 (800) NYC-FINK * (212) 869-3063 GM_GJ_SDNY_00000099 EFTA00008595

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Page 12 3/2/19 them had ever asked her to bring a particular girl to the house? A. Yes. Q. Did she recall whether [iin ever asked her to bring a particular girl? A. Yes. Q. What does she remember about that? A. that {oud ask her, do you have this particular girl or can this girl come tonight or on whatever day that they had chosen. Q. When she would speak with Epstein on the phone, did she recall whether or not Epstein would ever ask her to bring a particular girl? A. Yes. What did she remember about that? Just one moment. Q A. Along the same lines, can you bring this girl. Q Special Agent | have you told the grand jury everything that you know about this case, or have you just answered the questions that I've asked? A. I've just answered the questions you've asked. Q. When you testified about the documents you reviewed or the conversations that you had with.others, | were you testifying to the exact words that were used or just the substance of the documents or Fink & Carney Reporting and Video Services 39 West 37th Street * New York, New York 10018 (800) NYC-FINK * (212) 869-3063 | | GM_GJ_SDNY_00000100 EFTA00008596

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39 West 37th Street * New York, New York 10018 ry ae conversations? A. Substance, Q. Are you willing to return to the grand jury if the grand jury has any further questions for you? A. Yes. vs. With the Foreperson's permission, I would ask that Special Agent | be excused, THE FOREPERSON: You're excused. (Witness Excused.) (Time noted: 1:00 p.m.) (Colloquy Follows.) Fink & Carney Reporting and Video Services GM_GJ_SDNY_00000101 (800) NYC-FINK * (212) 869-3063 EFTA00008597

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oO 4 wm 16 STATE OF NEW YORK) COUNTY OF that the foregoing is a true and accurate transcript, to the best of my skill and ability, from my stenographic notes of this proceeding. Active Grand Jury Reporter Fink & Carney Reporting and Video Services ae eeeeemnerineeee! 39 West 37th Street * New York, New York 10018 (800) NYC-FINK * (212) 869-3063 GM_GJ_SDNY_00000102 EFTA00008598